Comments on: Dealing with IE6 http://justanotherdeveloper.co.uk/best-practices/dealing-with-ie6/ Tue, 24 Aug 2010 15:55:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Dan Jeffrey http://justanotherdeveloper.co.uk/best-practices/dealing-with-ie6/comment-page-1/#comment-448 Dan Jeffrey Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:04:04 +0000 http://justanotherdeveloper.co.uk/2009/05/17/dealing-with-ie6-2/#comment-448 Wow that's a gay avatar btw. Wow that’s a gay avatar btw.

]]> By: Dan Jeffrey http://justanotherdeveloper.co.uk/best-practices/dealing-with-ie6/comment-page-1/#comment-447 Dan Jeffrey Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:03:30 +0000 http://justanotherdeveloper.co.uk/2009/05/17/dealing-with-ie6-2/#comment-447 One day in twelve? I'd say two - three in twelve to be honest. That extra time tends to come in when I'm working within a team that doesn't have as much knowledge about the quirks / issues with IE6+ as I do - resulting in another front-end / client-side developer writing code / hacks that result in even more inconsistencies that break well written CSS and/or JavaScript that I've coded that *should* work fine. One day in twelve? I’d say two – three in twelve to be honest.

That extra time tends to come in when I’m working within a team that doesn’t have as much knowledge about the quirks / issues with IE6+ as I do – resulting in another front-end / client-side developer writing code / hacks that result in even more inconsistencies that break well written CSS and/or JavaScript that I’ve coded that *should* work fine.

]]> By: Antony Kennedy http://justanotherdeveloper.co.uk/best-practices/dealing-with-ie6/comment-page-1/#comment-275 Antony Kennedy Sun, 17 May 2009 21:43:42 +0000 http://justanotherdeveloper.co.uk/2009/05/17/dealing-with-ie6-2/#comment-275 I have everyone at work taking notes now, but I'd say one day in twelve is spent making stuff work for IE6 on very basic static stuff. Start doing overlays, pop-overs, heavy DOM manipulation - I'd say double that. A lot of money in our pockets - a sad truth :) IE6 being a pain in the arse is just one reason we are worth lots of money. In supporting standards and the semantic web, we are endangering our pay packets... IE7 is a high priority update, but optional. In that, it will get ready to download it - but still ask you if you want it. Most people say no. And often in the enterprise, it is not up to the user what gets installed. While we still support IE6, they have no reason to update their users (which would be a cost for them too). I have everyone at work taking notes now, but I’d say one day in twelve is spent making stuff work for IE6 on very basic static stuff. Start doing overlays, pop-overs, heavy DOM manipulation – I’d say double that.

A lot of money in our pockets – a sad truth :) IE6 being a pain in the arse is just one reason we are worth lots of money. In supporting standards and the semantic web, we are endangering our pay packets…

IE7 is a high priority update, but optional. In that, it will get ready to download it – but still ask you if you want it. Most people say no. And often in the enterprise, it is not up to the user what gets installed. While we still support IE6, they have no reason to update their users (which would be a cost for them too).

]]> By: Gavin Williams http://justanotherdeveloper.co.uk/best-practices/dealing-with-ie6/comment-page-1/#comment-273 Gavin Williams Sun, 17 May 2009 00:17:39 +0000 http://justanotherdeveloper.co.uk/2009/05/17/dealing-with-ie6-2/#comment-273 <a href="#comment-272" rel="nofollow">@Antony Kennedy</a> Cheers Kennedy, was hoping for your input of my rant. Just edited the post from your comments about emulating the bar. That's my point exactly, this method is just as bad as those pop under ad days which pissed people off and eventually led to lots of people disabling javascript or installing pop up blockers. (the days where JavaScript was considered cheesy as every one was copying and pasting JS from <a href="http://dynamicdrive.com" rel="nofollow">dynamicdrive.com</a> which I have to say has some how improved quite a bit) It definitely is expensive, how many hours/days do you think it adds to development time? That's a lot of money in our pockets but I'd hate to be the one paying out to support it! That sites pretty awesome, I had no idea how old the thing was! Isn't IE7 a high priority update in XP? @Antony Kennedy Cheers Kennedy, was hoping for your input of my rant. Just edited the post from your comments about emulating the bar.

That’s my point exactly, this method is just as bad as those pop under ad days which pissed people off and eventually led to lots of people disabling javascript or installing pop up blockers. (the days where JavaScript was considered cheesy as every one was copying and pasting JS from dynamicdrive.com which I have to say has some how improved quite a bit)

It definitely is expensive, how many hours/days do you think it adds to development time? That’s a lot of money in our pockets but I’d hate to be the one paying out to support it!

That sites pretty awesome, I had no idea how old the thing was!

Isn’t IE7 a high priority update in XP?

]]> By: Antony Kennedy http://justanotherdeveloper.co.uk/best-practices/dealing-with-ie6/comment-page-1/#comment-272 Antony Kennedy Sun, 17 May 2009 00:09:43 +0000 http://justanotherdeveloper.co.uk/2009/05/17/dealing-with-ie6-2/#comment-272 <a href="#comment-271" rel="nofollow">@Antony Kennedy</a> Oops - I meant GameCube. It's not THAT old :) Though it is older than the iPod. Nearly 8 years now. @Antony Kennedy Oops – I meant GameCube. It’s not THAT old :) Though it is older than the iPod. Nearly 8 years now.

]]> By: Antony Kennedy http://justanotherdeveloper.co.uk/best-practices/dealing-with-ie6/comment-page-1/#comment-271 Antony Kennedy Sun, 17 May 2009 00:07:22 +0000 http://justanotherdeveloper.co.uk/2009/05/17/dealing-with-ie6-2/#comment-271 "by activating Internet Explorers information bar and giving users the bait to upgrade to IE7/IE8" It actually just emulates it in JS. If we could really instantiate the bar it would be more convincing, but even MS aren't that stupid. I think. :) The users with NT/2000 can still use FF/Safari/Opera/etc. I currently advise to make the site *work* in IE6, but don't spend valuable time making it look perfect when that time could be spent developing new features. As you say, inform the user they should upgrade. Don't give them an awful experience, but supporting IE6 100% is expensive. Too expensive, I think, for the benefits it provides. Have you also seen http://iedeathmarch.org? Can you believe the N64 is younger than IE6? :) Aside from anything else, IE6 is now unsupported by MS themselves, and full of security holes that will never be fixed. Encouraging users to upgrade is actually doing them a favour. Otherwise, great post. I agree 100%. My main reason for not using ie6update.com (although I love the premise) is it's essentially phishing, unethical, and dishonest. “by activating Internet Explorers information bar and giving users the bait to upgrade to IE7/IE8″

It actually just emulates it in JS. If we could really instantiate the bar it would be more convincing, but even MS aren’t that stupid. I think. :)

The users with NT/2000 can still use FF/Safari/Opera/etc.

I currently advise to make the site *work* in IE6, but don’t spend valuable time making it look perfect when that time could be spent developing new features. As you say, inform the user they should upgrade. Don’t give them an awful experience, but supporting IE6 100% is expensive. Too expensive, I think, for the benefits it provides. Have you also seen http://iedeathmarch.org? Can you believe the N64 is younger than IE6? :)

Aside from anything else, IE6 is now unsupported by MS themselves, and full of security holes that will never be fixed. Encouraging users to upgrade is actually doing them a favour.

Otherwise, great post. I agree 100%. My main reason for not using ie6update.com (although I love the premise) is it’s essentially phishing, unethical, and dishonest.

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